scientifiques convertis à l'islam

[marie1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nExKrF5nKBI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cGbcgj7Gsk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88VWzmwu1Pg

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1fc1z ... lam_events

[Nizar89]

Ah l'argument d'autorité. Tellement efficace. Surtout quand l'on sait que la majorité des scientifiques sont athées (je crois que le nombre dépasse les 95% quand l'on regarde du coté des prix nobel).

[marie1]

ces scientifiques ne sont pas des ignorants..ils ont une renommée...et pourtant! ils en savent plus que toi sur la science et ils sont devenus musulmans alors que toi tu as préféré la fuir au lieu de l'étudier..

[Nizar89]

ils ont une renommée

Renommé tellement grande que pas un n'a sa place sur wikipédia.

ils en savent plus que toi sur la science et ils sont devenus musulmans alors que toi tu as préféré la fuir au lieu de l'étudier..

Tu parles à un ex musulman. Alors je pense que je m'y connais un peu su l'islam. D'ailleurs je remarque que to post sans même prendre la peine de regarder tes liens, il y en a un en allemand .

[marie1]

pour celui en allemand, je l'ai fait exprès, au cas où il y a un qui comprend l'allemand! mais tu peux te contenter des autres..si tu remarques, il y a en arabe, en anglais, en français et en allemand, c'est pour tous les gouts!

"je m'y connais un peu su l'islam" tu l'as bien dit: un peu

[quinlan_vos]

Il faut aussi préciser que, quand on parle de scientifiques sérieux, si 95% sont athées, les 5% restants sont, au mieux,agnostiques.
Et aucun d'eux ne fait entrer la religion dans le champ scientifique. Les rares qui ont essayé ont soit fait du concordisme de bas étage, soit détruite leur vision de Dieu.
On peut citer le paléoanthropologue Pascal Picq, qui en parle bien dans "Lucy et l'Obscurantisme".

Voila voila...
Et, donc?
95% d'athées parmi les scientifiques, le savoir dépasse la croyance même la plus bornée.

Tu n'as pas des "infos YouTube" pour dire combien de scientifiques ont renié l'Islam ou n'importe quelle autre religion, Marie?

[Nizar89]

pour celui en allemand, je l'ai fait exprès, au cas où il y a un qui comprend l'allemand!

Mais toi tu comprends l'allemand? Il me semblerait que non. Donc le truc c'est que tu postes des choses que tu ne comprends pas, mais à partir du moment ou ça dit du bien de l'islam, c'est forcément juste. J'admire ton esprit critique.

Je me suis contenté de faire des recherches sur les noms des autre scientifique. Je n'est RIEN trouvé sur leur recherche, découverte, ou même leur biographie. Sauf le premier, qui est connu pour sa conversion (et c'est tout).

Alors leurs renommée, je la cherche toujours.
Par contre, les prix nobels, les membre de la royal Academie, eux, ont une vraie renomé. Et, surprise, ils sont en majorité athées.

Enfin bref, juste pour dire que ce genre d'argument, ça vaut prratiquement rien.

tu l'as bien dit: un peu

Ma modestie naturel
Si je dis "Je m'y connais beaucoup en Islam", ça change quoi?

[VT61]

on peut répondre a Marie que même Bucaille ne s'est pas converti, faut crire qu'il y croyait au truc ! (ni Moore d'ailleurs )

[alexislh]

En plus la qualité dégelasse des VHS des année 70-80 ne laisse pas voir le Musulman qui pointe un couteau dans le dos du scientifique pendant l'interview ou le compte bancaire du scientifique qui a grimpé d'un coup suite a la vidéo.

[l'espoir]

A chaque conférence des "Miracle scientifique du Coran" des savants embrassent la religion!

Nizar89, je ne crois pas que ça soit juste de la modestie... c'est une simple Musulmane qui le dit

[Nizar89]

A chaque conférence des "Miracle scientifique du Coran" des savants embrassent la religion!

J'en doute... Tu as des preuves?

Nizar89, je ne crois pas que ça soit juste de la modestie... c'est une simple Musulmane qui le dit

C'était de l'umour .
Je pense que je sais de l'islam autant que la majorité des musulmans (j'ai lu le coran, j'ai déjà prié, j'ai fait le ramadan, ainsi que toute les fêtes religieuses).

[Nizar89]

Puisque ça devient une mode de mettre des vidéos de youtube, j'y passe également:

Là on a de vrai scientifique, ayant fait avancer la recherche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdVucvo-kDU

[quinlan_vos]

Bonne vidéo, argumentée, avec des références (qu'on peut retrouver).
Et des scientifiques qui sont connus et reconnus.

Et, sinon, on a quoi en face?


(Il faudrait que tu la poste sur Libertathée, Nizar. Elle est vraiment bien).

[Nizar89]

Ok, pas de problème (je ferais ça un peu plus tard, j'en ai quelque autres à retrouver)

[totocapt]

Je serais curieux aussi d'avoir l'avis de musulmans à propos de scientifiques, musulmans depuis toujours eux, qui abandonnent l'Islam après avoir découvert le Christ par exemple...

Pastor Hormoz Shariat Ph.D(in Computers) - Iranian Ex-Muslim, Former Research Scientist in Artificial Intelligence, Now Tele-Evangelist, Bringing the Gospel to Iran

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Broadcasting the Gospel into Iran was never something Hormoz thought he would do. He was one of the students who marched in the streets against the Shah of Iran.

Donnell, an American, met Hormoz through Hormoz's brother, who had studied in the United States earlier. Donnell later went to Iran where she met Hormoz. Though she grew up in church, Donnell converted to Islam and they married. In 1979 Hormoz and Donnell came to the United States to attend USC, and while here, Ayottollah Khomeni came to power.

Hormoz was a good student but felt something was lacking in his life. "I was looking for the answer in politics," he says, not having found what he needed in Islam. He tried to be a "good person" but still felt empty.

His unrest was also exacerbated by his loveless marriage. The marriage had deteriorated to such a point that they had set a date to divorce – Oct 1,1980. "I searched my heart and thought I needed more," Hormoz says. "Maybe there was a spiritual side to life that I was missing." Divorce wouldn’t answer the emptiness in his heart, he says.

Being a research scientist, Hormoz then reasoned that he could search out the meaning of life, and in July he began reading the Koran. As an "independent thinker," he read the Koran, got some answers, but still felt empty.

For the sake of intellectual honesty, he got a Bible and started to read that. Donnell had one but never read it, he says. At first he thought Jesus would be like the figure in the Koran, but the more he read it, the more he realized that "Jesus didn’t look like the prophet in the Koran." Jesus seemed strong and confident.

Hormoz liked his teachings, especially the Sermon on the Mount, but they were troubling to accept. "I liked Him and I didn’t like Him," Hormoz says. The Sermon was nice but not practical. Who can live like that? "God used that," he says. "This convicted me. If this is the standard, we’re all sinners." Hormoz was in a tortuous state for some time. He couldn’t accept or not accept Christ. He would throw the Bible away only to go back and retrieve it. He knew he had to get to the end of this.

Donnell saw him studying these books. In the meantime, she was unhappy as well. While working late one night at her job, the Guatemalan janitor who barely spoke English witnessed to her. He told her that Jesus loved her. When Hormoz told her what he was doing, Donnell said the janitor had invited them to his church, Church of the Open Door. They went, and were befriended by someone who invited them to their home and explained the full Gospel. Donnell didn’t want to go to hell and so she accepted Christ. Hormoz kept attending church but was full of questions that he eventually brought to the pastor. Though many questions were unanswered, the pastor told him to accept Christ "on what you do know." Hormoz accepted Christ and everything made sense!

On Oct 1, he went back to the pastor to discuss the impending divorce and was shocked when he saw the Scripture about God hating divorce. Divorce is a lot easier in Islam, he says. God did a miracle in their marriage, he says. By faith they stayed together and the Lord gradually changed them. "There was no love, but God created love because He is a Creator," Hormoz says. They have been married for 26 years and have three children.

The Unreachable

Hormoz grew in the Lord and completed his studies in the late '80s. He started a Bible study and they prayed for Muslims. The Lord brought Muslims to them. By 1988 he started a church.

One day in 1990 he was in his office and was appreciating how good his life was. Working in the field of artificial intelligence was like a game to him, and he thanked God for it. But the Lord challenged him one day: "You want to be paid big money to play games the rest of your life?" "I decided I wanted to invest my life into something that was eternal," he says.

By 1991 over 100 Muslims came to Christ and Hormoz realized that the Lord was calling him into full-time ministry. In 1997 the Lord expanded the ministry when he began a 30-minute local cable show. By 2001, suddenly, the satellites opened up in Iran and they could broadcast in Farsi. Through many challenges the Lord has moved mightily in this work.

Hormoz never envisioned this for his life. They are now on the air nine hours weekly in Iran – one hour of primetime at 10:00 p.m. The response has been tremendous. The show is now one hour, and because some of the shows are on live in primetime, they can interact directly with the audience via e-mail, fax, and telephone. The show airs also in the United States, Europe, Canada, and the Middle East. Hormoz can conservatively say there are 50,000 converts that he knows of.

When many of his congregants go home to visit family in Iran, they tell of the mighty move of God and how so many are coming to Christ. When they witness, many are hungry and accept Christ on the spot. Many testimonies have come in. One is of a Taxi driver who talked with a passenger who said she came to Christ by watching TV. In Iran on a family visit, one church member saw seven women standing at a bus stop. The Lord told her to go speak to them. The ladies were shocked when she said God talked to her and four accepted Christ; two wanted to think it over.

Several viewers said that Jesus appeared to them in visions and they wanted to know what this meant. In a vision, one saw himself in a vast field in the wilderness. He was lost. Suddenly, a tall bright man like an angel appeared to him. When the man said he was lost, the angel pointed toward a direction. The man looked and saw a cross and Jesus was on it. At the foot of the cross, a river of light suddenly fell on him and he felt so much peace. He did not want to wake up because the peace left. "Now would you please tell me what is the interpretation of this dream?" he asked. Hormoz was happy to explain this to him. The big challenge now is to train leaders in the home churches.

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